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Poster: skybandit Date: Nov 29, 2010 3:03pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Gog?

I've got an old, ragged VHS version of Ivan Tors' "Gog." While it has a renewal notice at the USCO for both the film and it's music, I'll be damned if I can find a copyright notice anywhere on the film itself. Does anyone else have this flick, and does your copy have a copyright notice?

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Nov 30, 2010 12:46am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

Alpha Video doesn't offer it. However, they only recently added "The Saint Louis Bank Robbery" to their list. Perhaps Alpha will sell it someday.

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Nov 29, 2010 4:27pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

My poor quality copy doesn't show a notice.

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Nov 29, 2010 5:46pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

Well, it's not a foreign film, and with my meager understanding of copyright rules, if there's no notice, there's no copyright. If someone else knows something I don't (and there's a few of you), please feel free to correct me on this. I'd say put it up as I'm sure your copy is better than the one I taped off TNT some years ago. Anything would be an upgrade over that.

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Poster: elmagno Date: Nov 29, 2010 6:03pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

Video Cellar said

Gog (Renewed Re0000087096)

on this thread
http://www.archive.org/post/285670/are-these-public-domain

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Nov 29, 2010 6:05pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

No copyright notice makes it PD.

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Poster: elmagno Date: Nov 29, 2010 6:43pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

The music too? No.

I think I might want to watch a good copy (Netflix has it) before I relied on these admittedly dicey copies which lack, among other good things, a copyright notice.

But that's elementary.

This post was modified by elmagno on 2010-11-30 02:43:11

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Nov 29, 2010 6:51pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

So even if thefilm itself is pd, the music isn't?

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Poster: elmagno Date: Nov 29, 2010 6:58pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

I'm no copyright lawyer nor do I want to be one even on TV, but the fundamental idea of derived rights (where they get their mojo) is that their claim is separately enforceable from whatever other claims or non-claims exist.

But, really, a good clean copy of this film is required before passing any judgment on its general PD status.

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Nov 29, 2010 6:56pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

Filing renewals for the film, music, script, etc. is meaningless for a movie that was improperly copyrighted initially.

This post was modified by billbarstad on 2010-11-30 02:56:35

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Nov 29, 2010 7:13pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

IF the music (soundtrack), script, etc. were copyrighted separately, then renewals to these would apply to the movie.

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Poster: elmagno Date: Nov 29, 2010 7:57pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

Well, dancing around the subject now and not artfully. My last word is my first: confirm the lack of copyright notice from a known good copy and go from there.

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Nov 29, 2010 8:22pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

Hmm. Well, I can read the titles in my complete copy. I imagine I'd be able to see a copyright notice if the movie had one. Sometimes notices are in such a small font that it makes reading every letter difficult or impossible, though. But go for it! Then you could make an an excellent copy for upload.

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Nov 29, 2010 6:21pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

The reason I haven't posted it yet is because it shows stuttering movement in some scenes. It's otherwise fairly good. I was hoping you had a good copy!

edit: I meant Skybandit should upload his copy.

This post was modified by billbarstad on 2010-11-30 02:21:11

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Poster: skybandit Date: Nov 30, 2010 2:21am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

Two problems with that idea, Bill:
1) I have neither the hardware nor the software to connect my VCR to my computer.
2) I taped this off TNT just like Guy did.
I think this flick was originally released in 3-D, so maybe the copyright notice was in the dimension left off the 2-D version. Wouldn't change the status of the 2-D version, but it would explain the renewal.

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Nov 30, 2010 7:07am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

Too bad you can't put it up. Copyfraud is a real problem with companies claiming bogus copyright renewals. Elmagno's suggestion to get a copy from Netflix (or elsewhere) may be the only way to get the movie here, since my copy and Guyzilla's aren't very good.

This post was modified by billbarstad on 2010-11-30 15:07:01

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Nov 30, 2010 8:20am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

Netflix only has GOG available for veiwing, not for rental. I looked. But you can at least watch it there.

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Nov 30, 2010 12:57pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

I took another look at my copy. The stuttering is caused by frames 'vibrating' back and forth during some sequences. It's really annoying, but I'm going to upload it soon, anyway. Maybe it'll inspire someone to upload a better copy.

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Poster: Mystic550 Date: Nov 30, 2010 3:59pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

Bill, you bring up a good point about the copyright notice being in small font. I read somewhere that for a movie the notice had to be clearly legible when expanded to full screen. I'm still trying to track down where I read that. I thought it was at USCO but haven't found it again yet.

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Poster: skybandit Date: Dec 1, 2010 5:29pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

If that's true, I can think of five uploaders that are going to be pissed at me for finding the small print on "The Incredible Two-Headed Transplant!"

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Dec 1, 2010 10:55pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

Or the fact that I had taken down "Dracula vs Frankenstein". I was checking out the possibility that my copy was PD. I played it looking for a notice and I did find it in the opening credits, but I had to look twice. The notice was flashed so quickly that if you blinked you'd miss it. I'm not exagerating.

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Poster: Mystic550 Date: Dec 2, 2010 4:28pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Gog?

I found the info I was talking about at the USCO site. This is their section on copyright law for films before 1978.

Check out my separate forum posts listed below:

Films Before 1978 With No Notice or Inadequate Notice - Copyright Lost Permanently

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=336498

Illegible or Small Notice Can Make Copyright Invalid - Films Before 1978

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=336504